Commerce Drives Culture, Says Media CEO

Phillip Jackson launched Future Commerce in 2016. The company produces articles, newsletters, and podcasts focusing on coming trends and developments in business.

He believes commerce produces a gentler society, one that fosters culture and stability. Commerce is culture, he states.

He and I recently discussed his company’s mission, large versus small brands, the maturity of ecommerce, and more. The entire audio of our conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for length and clarity.

Eric Bandholz: Who are you?

Phillip Jackson: I am the co-founder and CEO of Future Commerce, a small, bootstrapped business researching and producing media for ecommerce businesses. We work with large and small brands. We’re trying to predict the future of commerce, which was technology for the last 15 or 20 years, but now that every business is technology-enabled, we have to think about the next phase. We have four podcasts: Future Commerce, Infinite Shelf, Step by Step, and Decoded.

Ten years ago, big brands said, “We need to be online,” and “What does direct-to-consumer look like for us?” Let’s say you’re dealing with Mondelez (the food and beverage holding company) or some other conglomerate where you have individual brands with their own innovations teams, futures teams, and P&Ls within the business. They’re all resourced differently, have separate budgets, and are not talking to each other.

Some brands will find a way to achieve breakout success on the sly. You have little scrum teams or individual operating teams that don’t ask for permission—they ask for forgiveness and demonstrate success somewhere within the business. Some of the best innovations occur when they bring in entrepreneurs who understand how to get stuff done. They’re not just about theory, sitting in boardrooms, and figuring out spreadsheets. They’re good at rolling their sleeves up and getting things done.

Bandholz: You talk about an idea that commerce is culture. Can you explain?

Jackson: We’ve been at it with Future Commerce for about eight years. Over the last three or four years, ecommerce has mostly been solved. You can talk about all the tips, tricks, and tactics, but generally, it’s just buying a new piece of software.

The early exciting internet promise based on technology is gone. What has become exciting is going back to the fine arts. When I talk to folks in corporate roles, such as the head of commerce for YouTube or the head of innovation for Visa, they yearn for something deeper. Commerce is a human truth, and independent cultures have all created and found each other through trade routes. The world came together through this necessity of having something others need. Commerce is not just a value exchange — it’s a cultural connection.

We’ve learned that live-streaming isn’t the future of commerce, yet every analyst said it would be because that was happening in Asia. Maybe commerce is more cultural. Every independent culture has its own way of expressing itself, and maybe commerce is one of those. We’ve pared it down to “commerce is culture.” It is who we are at our core. It’s what we value.

A French philosopher believed that commerce makes people more amenable. When you have things you love, prize, and value, you don’t want to lose them. People who have nice things become better actors in society. As a nation becomes richer and attains wealth, it’s less prone to social upheavals. Commerce has a gentle effect on society and gives us the capitalist economy today.

Eric Bandholz: Where can people support you?

Jackson: Visit FutureCommerce.com. Find me on Twitter and LinkedIn.

From Bankrupt to Thriving Entrepreneur

Study a successful entrepreneur, and you’ll likely uncover resilience. Take Aaron Marino. Twenty years ago his first business, a fitness center, failed, leaving him with half a million dollars of debt. Fast-forward to 2024, and Marino is a YouTube celebrity and thriving serial entrepreneur, mainly with men’s grooming products.

He first appeared on the podcast in 2020. We recently caught up. I asked him about failure, success, helping others, and more.

The entire audio of our conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for length and clarity.

Eric Bandholz: Tell us about yourself.

Aaron Marino: I’m an entrepreneur at my core. I started posting YouTube videos in 2008 about men’s styles, grooming, dating, and relationships. I called the channel Alpha M, and it took off. I wasn’t that great at it, but I kept doing it.

Over the years, it’s allowed me to start a few businesses and verticals. I have had 20 companies. Most didn’t work out, some worked out a little, and others have done reasonably well. A few years ago, I started a channel called Alpha Mpire, where I interview other entrepreneurs.

Failure was one of the best things for me. I had a fitness center. It was an epic failure. That was my dream from age 12 — to own a fitness center. I shut it down and had half a million dollars in debt. I then drove a beer cart at a country club just to put gas in my car. That was the scariest time of my life. I didn’t have a plan B. The failure forced me to try other things less scary. I was like, okay, what’s the worst thing that can happen? I’m driving a beer cart. I’m broke. I’m bankrupt, but I’m still alive.

Bandholz: How do you emotionally get through bankruptcy as an entrepreneur?

Marino: Stress and anxiety about money and inability to pay bills robbed me of joy like nothing else. I was making a hundred dollars every three weeks driving a beer cart. I was as broke as it got. My credit cards were all shut down. Declaring bankruptcy was a huge emotional relief. It was as if I got a new lease on life. I knew I would never make the same mistakes again. It shaped me in terms of how I think about money and debt. I became more responsible. I recovered and bought a $35,000 car within a year at 100% finance.

I believe there’s a time and a place for loans and debt. If you need it, you need it. A business has two ways to raise money: incur debt or sell equity. The choice depends on how much money and help you need.

Bandholz: You have several businesses now.

Marino: The largest is a men’s skincare company called Tiege Hanley. That was a partnership with two other guys. One of the founders put up $170,000. I generated marketing material through my YouTube channel. We had another founder who also brought equity and technical skills.

I started a hair product business called Pete & Pedro. I did that through white labeling. I started that whole business for $3,000. I went to a friend who was a stylist, and he told me to call people I knew, which began the process.

I started a sunglasses company called Enemy that’s no longer around. I funded it myself. I shut it down because the product was too expensive for what I was charging, leaving no margin for marketing.

I like putting up the money whenever possible. I don’t take substantial wild risks. I don’t need $100,000 to start a business. I can validate many of these businesses for much less.

Bandholz: Tell us about Alpha Mpire, the YouTube channel.

Marino: My original channel, Alpha M., focuses on men’s grooming. I launched it back in 2008. But I love talking about business. I started Alpha Mpire in 2021 to share my experiences and those of other entrepreneurs. I found a renewed passion. With this new channel, there were no expectations. I didn’t have to worry about sponsorships. I could talk about anything. It started to grow. It’s not the biggest channel — around 70,000 subscribers.

The internet has changed the game regarding entrepreneurship and business. It’s like taking a test with the book open. If you want to start a business, the information is out there. It’s never been more affordable.

Everybody has the same access and opportunities. Some people will take action. Most won’t. I tell new entrepreneurs to find somebody who’s done it before. Copy what they did, get their advice or somebody else’s, and then do it yourself. It’s not that hard. If I can do it, anybody can.

Bandholz: Where can people follow you?

Marino: Check out my mastermind community, TheWhiteLabelMpire.com, or my Alpha Mpire YouTube channel.

3 Keys to Successful Products on Amazon

Jake Zaratsian is a content creator at Jungle Scout, the Amazon seller platform. He’s also a part-time brand owner on that marketplace, selling disposable dinnerware plates made from palm leaves. Curious, I asked him, “Why palm plates?”

He cited three reasons: a product with at least 300 monthly sales, a selling price of $20 each, and consumable for repeat buyers. Disposable palm-leaf plates fit the need.

He and I recently spoke. We addressed Jungle Scout’s tools, dos and don’ts for Amazon sellers, and much more. The entire audio of our conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for clarity and length.

Eric Bandholz: Give us a quick rundown of who you are and what you do.

Jake Zaratsian: I am a content creator at Jungle Scout, an Amazon seller platform. I also run my own Amazon brand called Natural Events. We sell disposable dinnerware plates made from palm leaves. I consult on the side for a few brands that sell on Amazon.

Bandholz: What’s an excellent product to sell on Amazon?

Zaratsian: That’s a good question because it changes so often. The challenge is finding a product that can improve what’s currently available. Advertising is costly. Jungle Scout has an extension that shows what everybody’s selling and the average monthly volume. It’s a starting point for finding product ideas. Start with 10 ideas, and then research the market.

A key factor is standing out on the search results page to win more conversions with less ad spend. Find a product with at least 300 monthly sales and high profit margins — 20% minimum. Then make your product better.

Cobalt, Jungle Scout’s tool for enterprise sellers, offers much more data and some automation tools. It’s easily customized.

Bandholz: Why palm-leaf plates?

Zaratsian: Jungle Scout’s algorithm can project revenue. I wanted to find products on Amazon that had 300 monthly sales. That gave me hundreds of items in the U.S. alone. The next filter was products selling for at least $20.

I also wanted a consumable item that customers would buy repeatedly. I used a Jungle Scout keyword filter for “disposable” in the product title.

The result was a list of products with 300 monthly sales at $20 or more apiece and were disposable.

Bandholz: What’s your advice for merchants considering Amazon?

Zaratsian: Think about how much inventory you send to Amazon and the potential sales volume. Amazon has hefty long-term storage fees that seem to increase continually. They also penalize you for not having enough inventory. Focus on avoiding these long-term storage fees and having inventory sitting in Amazon, especially during Q4.

Content is so powerful. Many Amazon sellers are starting to utilize Inspire. It’s Amazon’s version of TikTok, except for folks looking for products to buy. Every photo and video has a product link. That, to me, is an untapped opportunity. Inspire is a low-friction way of getting your product in front of customers.

Building a presence on Amazon is like real estate without buying the property. Granted, it takes a lot of work — product listings and brand building. But you’re creating an asset with value.

Bandholz: Where can people follow you?

Zaratsian: Go to JungleScout.com. I’m on LinkedIn and Instagram.

Directness Wins in Advertising

Andrew Faris once managed huge Meta ad budgets while CEO of ecommerce brands. He still manages huge budgets, but now at his agency on behalf of clients. I asked him for pointers on advertising bread-and-butter commodity-type products.

“Directness is the answer,” he told me. “The more tightly you communicate your product and what it does, the better.”

This is Faris’s third appearance on the podcast. In 2022 we discussed his career transition, having left the CEO role. Last year we addressed his new agency and its focus on Meta Ads management. This interview continues with Meta advertising — testing, tactics, creative, and more.

The entire audio of our conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for clarity and length.

Eric Bandholz: Give our listeners a recap of what you do.

Andrew Faris: I run a boutique marketing agency called AJF Growth. It’s me, a couple of folks in the U.S., and a few in the Philippines. We work together to grow ecommerce brands, primarily using Meta Ads. I offer strategic guidance to a small list of clients.

My “Andrew Faris Podcast” addresses what I’m seeing and learning. That includes the stuff I’ve experienced as a media buyer on the brand side. I started in ecommerce about 10 years ago.

Bandholz: Let’s talk about the episode I did on your podcast a few weeks ago.

Faris: You came to me with the idea of a series of episodes of brands willing to discuss their business, the wins and losses, with a high level of transparency, similar to your discussions about Beardbrand. You told me that Beardbrand was buying more Meta Ads. I didn’t have space for another client, but I suggested we do a coaching call to work through your ad account. I would provide my honest take if you share honest information. We’ll record it and broadcast it to my podcast listeners. It was the second “Opening the Books” episode I’ve done. I’m trying to do more.

Bandholz: We started with some media buying rules.

Faris: I use a volleyball analogy to describe advertising. Media buying is the setter, and creative is the hitter — the spike. The set matters a lot. Putting the ball in the right place will make the hitter’s job much easier. You need both, but creative scores the point.

Many brands set their Meta Ads poorly. They’re mainly launching creative tests, putting tons of money behind them, and then trying to pick the winners and scale from there.

That sounds intuitive, except for two things. The first is that brands consistently underestimate the cost of those tests. Testing the creative is probably the single biggest ad cost in many direct-to-consumer businesses.

Second, humans are terrible at objectively analyzing data. This applies to me as well. I have 10 years of experience running Meta Ads for brands. I’ve done it across every category, yet I am horrible at analyzing a dataset, picking the winner, and scaling it. The beautiful thing is that Meta Ads will do this for us via its machine learning.

Bandholz: What ads work?

Faris: Meta suppresses your losers and scales the winners. It eliminates having to test ads. That means running lots of unique ads as long as the production cost is low. The first thing I do for any Meta account is review and relaunch the backlog of creatives. I grab the ads and turn them back on with a bid cap.

Meta will only spend if it expects the click-through and conversion rates to net a cost per acquisition within your target. I like to repurpose a client’s organic social content — as long as it references a product with no licensing issues — and launch it as an ad. Even if it underperformed organically, launch it in a bid cap and see what happens. It’s low production cost with potentially high impact. Again, humans are bad at predicting ad performance. The more we think an ad sucks, the more likely it’s going to be awesome.

Bandholz: Most products are commodities, more or less, with much competition. How do those merchants stand out?

Faris: I recently talked with the owner of Jones Road Beauty, the cosmetics provider. He described a concept called the unique mechanism. Sellers of products with many competitors must hone in on what makes theirs unique.

The example he gave was P90X, the at-home workout system. There are a slew of companies selling at-home workouts. The unique mechanism of P90X was “muscle confusion.” That phrase in ads was powerful. Accomplishing muscle confusion in your workout program builds strength and improves body tone.

How do advertisers focus on the unique benefits? Directness is the answer. The more tightly you communicate your product and what it does, the better. Be clear. Keep your message core to what people seek.

Bandholz: Where can people follow you and check out the episode?

Faris: Go to AJFgrowth.com for info on the agency. Find the Beardbrand episode in any podcast directory. I’m @andrewjfaris on X.

Painful Decisions Greet First-time CEO

Bryant Jaquez picked a heck of a time to become a CEO. A longtime CMO for direct-to-consumer brands, Jaquez accepted the CEO job early this year for BuddyLove, a Dallas-based women’s apparel company coming off a pandemic-fueled boom and a dismal 2023.

“The overhead and debt service caught up with them,” he told me. “Thus far my job has been a lot of restructuring, evaluating expenses, and making deep cuts — some were painful, such as layoffs.”

He and I recently discussed his journey — from chief marketer to chief executive — including decision-making, stress, compensation, equity stakes, and more.

Our entire audio conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for length and clarity.

Eric Bandholz: Give our listeners a recap of who you are.

Bryant Jaquez: I’m a serial CMO turned CEO of BuddyLove, a women’s apparel company based in Dallas, Texas. My background is in direct-to-consumer ecommerce. I’ve worked in the industry for 10 years. Until about seven weeks ago, I led marketing teams. I joined BuddyLove, my first CEO role, in early January.

A CEO at a DTC company must also be an entrepreneur. And I’ve always been entrepreneurial. You have to be obsessed with your work and love it. You must also be ready to take on all the stress and responsibility of running an entire company.

BuddyLove was started in 2010 by a husband-wife team, Buddy and Grayson DeFonso. Grayson designs all of our clothes. Buddy was running the operations but grew tired of it. He approached me and asked if I would be interested in joining the team.

I was ready for a change. There are limitations on how much a CMO can grow professionally. You’re either working towards an exit or trying to increase revenue. I realized that I needed to launch a business myself or run one. So it was good timing.

Bandholz: Is the job what you expected two months in?

Jaquez: BuddyLove hit $14 million in revenue last year — quite a bit smaller than the brands I came from but big enough to have money for fast growth.

BuddyLove is in a similar position to many DTC brands post-pandemic, post-low-interest rates. The company took on a lot of debt. They made some big bets with inventory and cash flow. It worked so long as sales doubled year over year.

Then they had a much slower year in 2023. The overhead and debt service caught up with them. So now we’re cleaning the balance sheet. Our focus is profits and scaling back to a lean company. Thus far my job has involved a lot of restructuring, evaluating expenses, and making deep cuts — some were painful, such as layoffs.

I thought I was good at handling pressure. I jumped on board and started digging into the numbers. I realized we needed to restructure. It took me a couple of weeks to catch my breath.

I’m happy to report that it’s working. We’re rebuilding the brand from the inside out. We’re keeping the soul intact — Grayson’s designs aren’t changing — but we are reimagining how things are run.

Bandholz: How do you earn the team’s trust as the new boss who lays off staff?

Jaquez: The day we did layoffs was one of the hardest of my career. I believe in honesty. I’m a high-care, high-honest communicator. After spending a few days digging into the books, I called the entire team together. I told everybody about the situation. I said, “This is where we’re at. This is the path ahead of us. It’s going to be painful. We have to make cuts. We have to get profitable. We have to spend less than we bring in.”

I tried to lay people off in the manner I would want if the roles were reversed. That included trying to help them find opportunities as quickly as possible. So on that day I posted on X, “These are the positions we let go. Does anybody need these roles?” Within 24 hours, I had opportunities for everyone who wanted them. A few didn’t respond to my attempts to connect them.

We were around 40 employees. Now we’re at about 24.

Bandholz: Many founders want to hire a CEO to grow the company. What does a CEO candidate look for?

Jaquez: For me it’s equity, skin in the game. I took inspiration from Elon Musk’s story of creating out-of-the-money outcomes and structuring an equity agreement to hit them. That’s what we did at BuddyLove. Every time we hit a milestone, it unlocks more equity for me. Right off the bat, I was in a better position than the one I left. So, the simple answer for an entrepreneur is to find out the compensation of the person you’re trying to recruit and make your offer much better.

That’s enough to pique their interest. Then you have to ensure you’re aligned on an exit plan and long-term goals. What kind of a company do you want? What do you sell? Hiring a CEO is one of the riskiest things you can do.

The CEO of a rapidly growing DTC brand likely earns multiple six figures annually plus equity. But here’s what founders need to hear about equity. I had an equity option at my previous employer, apparel brand Caden Lane, that would execute only at the point of a liquidation event. However, the founder was the sole shareholder and controlled when, if ever, that event would occur.

In 2021, she turned down an offer to sell for $100 million. My equity was essentially monopoly money because it didn’t mean anything unless we sold, and I had no control over whether or not we’d sell.

So, founders and CEOs should be aligned on when and how an equity stake can be monetized.

Bandholz: Where can people follow you and buy your clothes?

Jaquez: Shop for women’s apparel at BuddyLove.com. Follow me on X, @BryantJaquez.

Grow or Die, Says Momentum Shake Founder

Mike Tecku first appeared on this podcast in 2019 as an Amazon marketplace seller. Shortly afterward, he sold that business, a maker of floormats. He retired, became bored, and in 2022 launched Momentum, a direct-to-consumer nutritional shake producer. He and I discussed that venture last year in his second appearance.

He’s back. Momentum Shake is flourishing, as is Tecku. He’s evolved from the nuts and bolts of making money to achieving a purpose, building a team, and self-improvement. “If I’m not growing, I’m dying,” he told me.

Our entire audio conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for length and clarity.

Eric Bandholz: Your entrepreneurial journey is impressive.

Mike Tecku: Growth gives me meaning and a sense of being alive. If I’m not growing, I’m dying. The American dream of not having to do anything runs counter to human nature. When I retired, I got good at golf. I read many books but could not shake the urge to solve problems. I’d be in a store and think, “This is an interesting product. I wonder if I could make this.”

I got depressed when I wasn’t working on anything. I could feel myself shrinking. About a year into that, I decided I needed to re-embrace being an entrepreneur. That’s just who I am. Those are my gifts. I wanted to use my gifts and strengths, and now I had the privilege of using them in a way that I wanted, not just to survive or make money.

The world is constantly changing. To make something perfect is impossible, but you can pursue it by continually adjusting. The farther you get along, the more precise the destination is, and the more attuned you are to your goal. You gain knowledge and make better decisions. When you’re really into something, you’re continually growing and perfecting your art.

Bandholz: How does a company strive for perfection?

Tecku: You must develop trust with your customers so they know you have their best interest at heart. If we change the flavoring of our shakes, customers worry we’re making it cheaper when the reality is the opposite. You must be transparent with customers and communicate that you want to add more value without increasing their costs. It’s essential to zoom out beyond supply and demand. What advantage can you bring to the market besides making more money?

I want to produce a product 10 times better than everybody for the same price. Most businesses are just media and marketing platforms. They don’t touch the product. If they’re doing anything at all, they’re selling commodities. I want to make something that is a masterpiece and stacks much value into it.

That wasn’t happening with our outsourced manufacturer. I love those people, but they can’t innovate at the speed I want. I can cut costs by 30% when I take over manufacturing. I can shrink cash flow, increase quantity, reduce costs, and improve quality. The only way to do that is through owning the manufacturing process.

Bandholz: What are the pitfalls of in-house manufacturing?

Tecku: The first step is believing it’s doable. I spent 10 years thinking manufacturing was complicated and beyond my expertise. But I had to start questioning myself. Why can’t I assemble a team of intelligent, hardworking individuals? Why can’t I solve those problems?

The goal is to make manufacturing easy. If I can build something simple and scalable, it will be more secure and reliable. I like to forecast five to seven years down the road. What are my goals? I want to scale to a hundred million dollars. What does that look like in the number of units I need to make a day and the machines capable of that?

I’m buying machines to simplify and reduce the chance of error. We can’t eliminate mistakes, but we can streamline processes, steps, and inputs. The machines I’m buying should be able to make a thousand bags an hour with one employee. That’s a scalable system.

Bandholz: You have a single SKU earning thousands of dollars monthly. You’re not touching it. There’s beauty in that.

Tecku: It is beautiful because it frees me for growth and improvement. Recall the old phrase, “Work on your business, not in it.” That can’t change. You have to be on top looking at the pieces. My job is decision-making. I want two hours of hyper-focused thinking every day.

Constantly executing is not the best use of my skills. Some people are way better at it. I consider all components of the business to be assets. The manufacturing facility I’ve been building for the last six months is an asset. I want it to run perfectly without me. That involves the machines, the space, the team — every decision.

Bandholz: I struggle with shifting from the execution role into strategy and decision-making.

Tecku: I try to check with my team to see if they need something from me. I have to remind myself this is what they’re good at and that they appreciate my trust in them. If you want to create independent people who think for themselves, you have to let them fail. My job is to determine the next step. There’s no right path. It requires a lot of walking around, reading books, talking to folks, and paying attention.

Bandholz: Where can folks follow you?

Tecku: Our site is MomentumShake.com. I’m on LinkedIn.

How Merchants Rack-up Airline Points

Allen Walton is the founder of SpyGuy, a seller of surveillance cameras from his base in Texas. He’s also a world traveler and a seasoned acquirer of airline travel points. Ecommerce merchants who pay with a rewards credit card for advertising, shipping, and other expenses can “rack-up crazy points,” he told me.

In our recent interview, his third for this podcast, he elaborated on his methods for obtaining cheap airline tickets and hotel accommodations.

The entire audio of our conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for clarity and length.

Eric Bandholz: You are the points guy.

Allen Walton: I’m pretty well-versed. For almost 10 years now, I have been paying attention to points and miles and figuring out how to save money, especially on international travel. Many folks come to me for tips, and I am happy to help because I know how meaningful it is to lay flat on a business seat when you’re on your way to meet suppliers in Asia.

If you desire to travel, whether for business or personal, and you’re willing to learn some rules to redeem those points, you could fly business class from the U.S. to Asia or get just under $400 in cash. There are some tricks. Ideally, you must be flexible about when you fly out or your final destination.

Say you’re trying to get to Barcelona in the summer. There might not be something available that gets you the whole way there, but if you’re happy with ending up in Madrid or Paris, there might be something there that’s just a fraction of the price of trying to get to Barcelona. Flexibility opens up the possibilities.

Bandholz: What’s the process?

Walton: Airlines have loyalty programs. American has the AAdvantage program, United has MileagePlus, and Air France has Flying Blue. You can rack-up airline miles from standard fares and redeem those miles for tickets. You can also get airline miles just by making regular credit card purchases. You don’t have to fly on those airlines to rack up their miles.

“Anytime awards” or “everyday awards” are where you pick the exact flight you want on the same date you want, and the airlines will quote you a price that will typically be expensive in terms of points. On United, it might be 200,000 points from New York to Japan or New York to Hong Kong. But there are what’s called “saver awards.” On many flights, the airlines will designate a small number of seats at a saver rate, which might be much less. So, instead of 200,000 points, it might be 80,000. If you know the game’s rules, you can look for these saver seats, which aren’t on every flight, but you can book these awards at a fraction of the average points.

Bandholz: Do you have to switch credit cards to get the maximum points?

Walton: No. Getting a big signup offer, canceling it, and switch cards to max out the number of points is what somebody with a nine-to-five job might do because they don’t spend the amount of money necessary to facilitate redeeming points for miles. You do not need to do that as an ecommerce entrepreneur. When you factor in ad spend, shipping, SaaS, and paying suppliers, your monthly spend on a credit card is so much that you don’t need to do that game. You could stick with one, two, or maybe even three cards and rack up many points from your regular business expenses.

Bandholz:  What are the best cards for entrepreneurs?

Walton: There are a few for ecommerce entrepreneurs, particularly the American Express Business Gold Card. For the last decade, it was four points for every dollar of online advertising and shipping. That was big for anyone who advertised online or shipped physical products. You could rack up crazy points. AmEx recently tweaked that card. This year, instead of 4-times on shipping, they added 4-times on software and cloud computing. Klaviyo and ClickUp will be on that, for example. The card has a $400 annual fee but pays itself when you get four points for every dollar you spend. You can start redeeming that for business-class international travel or hotel stays.

The Chase Ink Business Preferred is the next option, but getting multiples of this card is much more challenging. Generally, you need a relationship with the small business banker at Chase, such as your local regional banker. This card gives you 3-times points on online ads and 3-times on shipping. It has a $95 annual fee and a 100,000 signup bonus. You could do a round-trip ticket from the U.S. to Europe in business class just from the signup bonus. And so it’s a card worth picking up if you’ve tapped out on AmEx cards.

You might want to consider looking at a hotel card for loyalty reasons. I have platinum status with Marriott Bonvoy because there are a lot of Marriotts. They give you a 4:00 p.m. checkout, an upgrade to suites, and a free breakfast. Sometimes you have to ask. They won’t do it automatically. It makes it a lot easier to get status for when you’re traveling and want a better hotel experience, specifically the late checkout.

Consider getting another card for any spending that doesn’t have a multiplier.

Bandholz: Where do you search plane tickets by point costs?

Walton: There’s a tool now that I love called Seats.aero. It scans the most popular routes every hour or so. It will tell you when the flight takes off, how many seats are available, and booking options. There’s a free version, but the paid version costs $10 a month and is worth it. They have a bot that crawls all the airlines’ websites. It will find what’s available at that saver level, what date it is on, how much the fees are, and how you book. It’ll explain all that right there, but it’s imperfect and doesn’t include every airline. It misses a lot of stuff.

Bandholz: How can folks connect with you?

Walton: My website is SpyGuy.com. My Twitter handle is @allenthird.

Marketer Finds Joy in ‘Bigging’ Others

Aaron Orendorff is a chaplain turned writer turned digital marketer. He was the first editor-in-chief at Shopify Plus and then vice president of marketing at Common Thread Collective, an ecommerce agency.

He’s now head of marketing for Recart, an SMS platform. His passion is empowering colleagues and clients. He told me, “I find joy in bigging others up.”

The entire audio of our recent conversation is embedded below. The transcript is edited for length and clarity.

Eric Bandholz: Tell us who you are.

Aaron Orendorff: I’m the head of marketing for Recart. We’re an SMS app for Shopify businesses. My claim to fame is coming up with Shopify Plus. I cut my teeth with Shopify early in ecommerce. I remember writing how-to guides and articles about why you should trust the cloud for ecommerce.

I then moved to the agency side at Common Thread Collective. Now I’m sending text messages.

I didn’t have any background in this industry, nor any clients, pedigree, or connections. My life radically changed a decade ago. I’ll celebrate 11 years of sobriety at the beginning of February.

At the time I was unemployed and unemployable in Klamath Falls, Oregon. I created a website and wrote 10 blog posts to make it look like something was happening. I bought a traffic course from Neil Patel. It said to purchase your first 5,000 followers on Twitter. So I did. I think it screwed me for quite a while, but it helped to look like I was a legit business.

Bandholz: You have a big Twitter following.

Orendorff: Yes. My production rate is so much lower than what I see happening in the world. I’m relentlessly enthusiastic. I find joy in bigging others up.

At my core, I’m a writer. I warn folks when I’m starting to work with them and say, “Listen, I’m going to light you up in this Google Doc more than you’ve ever been in your entire life. The fact that I do that is an act of love. I would not invest in this if I didn’t believe in you.”

Criticism is a gift. Criticism is love because it takes energy, and it takes emotional risk. It’s much easier to fix and ship a thing than tell somebody where they went wrong. You run the risk of them misunderstanding or thinking ill of you. And I care a lot about that.

Bandholz: There is a line between criticism and hate.

Orendorff: That’s a powerful point. I’m fascinated by how to get somebody; how do you get on their side and disagree with them? How do you rapidly build trust? What are the cues? What are the shortcuts to it? What are the heuristics? The rule of thumb?

Bandholz: It’s just authenticity, right? You have to be authentic. From there, you build trust. Where can people follow you?

Orendorff: @AaronOrendorff on Twitter or find me on LinkedIn. If you need help with text marketing, visit Recart.com.

Advice to a New Ecommerce Merchant

Mike Carroll is a weightlifting buddy who lost his job last fall. He had been an insurance salesman for 25 years and is now contemplating a new career. I asked him, “Have you thought about ecommerce?”

He had not.

Launching an ecommerce company intrigued him, but he was unsure where to start. Knowing many would-be entrepreneurs with similar concerns, I invited him on the podcast.

Here’s our conversation. The entire audio is embedded below. The transcript is edited for clarity and length.

Eric Bandholz: What’s going on?

Mike Carroll: In September, I was let go from a position I held for eight years and returned to school to finish my degree. I will end this May, and I’m exploring new opportunities. I’ve been in sales for 25 years. I’ve sold mortgage insurance to banks, companies, and credit unions. I’ve sold home and auto insurance through my own agency. In college, I sold Kirby vacuums door to door. I don’t recommend that. However, I learned to deal with rejection quickly.

You recently asked me if I’ve considered ecommerce. I hadn’t really. I’ve bought stuff online, and that’s about it. The possibilities for what I want to do and explore are wide open. I’d love to hear what ecommerce avenues you’d suggest pursuing.

I’ve been a business owner, but insurance is not a physical product like ecommerce. I wouldn’t know where to begin. What types of products would I sell? Do I start something from scratch? Do I find a broker to help buy a business? What kind of skills do I need?

Bandholz: You have negotiation skills from your sales background. Those apply to ecommerce with vendor management, employees, and more. The direction you take in ecommerce depends on what you’re good at and what excites you. I love creating a business from scratch, obtaining that first customer, and scaling up.

Another option is buying a business. That would suit folks who thrive at systems, organization, and optimization. They could find opportunities with inefficient companies and make improvements. However, buying a business typically has more risks.

I recommend starting from scratch if you’ve never had a business because the risk of placing, say, a $1,000 inventory order is low compared to buying a million-dollar company.

Plus, a new business can outsource many tasks. Third-party logistics companies — 3PLs — can store, pack, and send your orders. Freelance consultants can photograph products, build and manage the website, and market your items on Facebook and Google, for example. Product designers and manufacturers can engineer and produce inventory. In that model, you’re the quarterback. It’s not unrealistic for a solo entrepreneur to build a company doing $1 million a year with no employees.

It would be hard work. Again, many outsourcing options exist worldwide, such as in Eastern Europe, Ukraine, and Poland. The Philippines has a lot of talented workers who also speak English.

Carroll: How do smaller ecommerce firms compete with Amazon?

Bandholz: Finding products that cater to enthusiasts is the best way to go from zero to one. A lot of successful entrepreneurs study Amazon data for top-selling products. They read the reviews of those products for opportunities to improve and then develop their own version based on that info and launch it on Amazon. They improve a product that many folks are already interested in, in other words.

Another option is serving an unmet need to folks who will pay more for a product. We had a guest on the show who sells chinchilla cages. His inventory is wire. When he gets an order, his team makes the cage and sends it out. He doesn’t need storage space or production costs for unsold finished cages. He drives efficiency through manufacturing. He has employees and manufacturing costs, but his niche is specific. He provides chinchilla owners with what they need.

Carroll: I know what I like, but the market may not need it.

Bandholz: The right product for the right price to the right customer will make your life easier. Avoid products that are very similar to competitors’ or are too expensive to make or buy. Find a unique product that only your company offers. Emphasize your brand. An excellent product with terrible branding is easily replicated by competitors.

My perfect ecommerce product would be small and light so I could easily ship it. It would be expensive — something consumers would pay a lot for and buy regularly that wouldn’t go bad. That’s the holy grail of products. It’s also what seemingly every merchant is looking for.

Look at the world. Everything is a product. Ask yourself, “Would I want to sell that? What would be the advantages?”

A friend who’s been on the podcast sells his own videos of dancing courses that couples can do at home. The business is called Show Her Off. You could do that as a golf instructor given your expertise in that sport. Target the person who wants to learn golf to make business connections. Sell the course for $500.

How can folks reach out to you?

Carroll: You can find me on LinkedIn.

Beardbrand Survives Its Hardest Year

Hosting “Ecommerce Conversations” is a welcome respite from my day job of running Beardbrand, the direct-to-consumer company I co-founded in 2012. I periodically post podcast updates on Beardbrand’s performance, hoping the transparency helps other entrepreneurs.

Here’s my recap of 2023.

It was a terrible year for me and Beardbrand. It was the first year we were in the red. We’ve always had around 15% margins, but not in 2023

I described the year in this week’s episode, embedded below. The transcript is condensed and edited for clarity.

Losses

Beardbrand generates revenue primarily through our website but also via wholesale accounts. Sales from our site were down 53% from the peak of 2021 — our best year. They decreased slightly in 2022, but profit increased because we lowered expenses. In 2023, profit and sales continued to decline significantly. A huge tax bill last April was the downside of being so profitable in 2022. We’ve always had tax bills, which we paid on time, but it was difficult this time with the other losses.

Then we got hit with a tax lien early last year. The state of Texas audited us for sales tax compliance. We had to pay additional taxes, penalties, and fees. They gave us 30 days. Fortunately, we run a very conservative business and have emergency savings. We paid the state and the IRS simultaneously, plus some hefty bills from the holiday season. Thus all our cash went out the door at the beginning of 2023.

Another loss at that time was a mistaken 100%-off discount code. I created it about eight years ago, and somehow, it was reachable on our website. It was leaked to a Facebook group or on TikTok. We had roughly $30,000 worth of products purchased with this code. None of us here caught it.

Target was a key wholesale account for about five years. We lost that business in 2023. The staff there simply stopped replying to our emails after we proposed 2023 plans. We emailed, “If you don’t reply, we’ll assume you won’t carry our products from now on. We’ll adjust our order projections.”

We had purchased a lot of specialized inventory for Target that we could not sell elsewhere. We destroyed about $500,000 worth of unsalable products at the end of the year. Additionally, Target now claims we owe chargebacks for markdowns, which we strongly dispute. They have refused to pay about $170,000 of invoices over the disagreement.

We faced more challenges. My business partner had her third baby and decided to step back from the company. It’s been a challenge not having her in the day-to-day. We furloughed our entire team to half-time this past summer, and our organic YouTube content performed worse than ever. We tried TikTok Shops with the recommendation from Paul at BK Beauty, but it wasn’t effective for us. Lastly, we were sued for accessibility reasons despite the website’s excellent accessibility rating.

Wins

Our biggest win was having enough savings to cover our losses, tax bills, and unsalable products. Conserving cash over the years finally paid off.

We were fortunate not to have lost employees. Everyone we furloughed stuck through the hard times and returned to full-time in August.

Since June, we’ve been profitable, but not at the margins I’m comfortable with. We’ve plugged the holes in our boat. Now we’ve got to get the wind behind the sails.

Part of our sales drop was due to manufacturing glitches and launching products that did not meet customers’ expectations. We’ve resolved many product concerns by returning to our old-school formulations and finding manufacturers who align more with our production needs.

Another win was raising our prices in June. Our average order went from $48 to $60. We’re getting fewer orders, but our per-order fulfillment and shipping costs are a smaller percentage. That’s been nice. We pay less to our outsourced fulfillment vendor.

Another big win is increasing sales from product subscriptions. We went from about 1,100 product subscribers to about 3,000. I see that growth continuing into 2024.

For years we did not sell on Amazon. We launched there in 2023 and reached a $1 million annual run rate by year-end. Hopefully, Amazon will become a seven-figure channel in 2024 and beyond.

A final win was starting a new marketing strategy. After talking with the founders of Batch cannabis, we introduced an affiliate program. We’ve had good promotions and referrals from our affiliate partners, with excellent articles and other placements. We hope the program grows, not just in affiliate revenue but also in improved organic search traffic.

Looking Forward

Despite the challenges, I remain optimistic. Twelve years in, I’m as motivated as on day one to roll out new products and serve our customers. Tough times require perseverance to pull through.

We had many manufacturing problems in 2023. We’re excited to grow with a manufacturer that aligns with us. We will take it slow, one product at a time. We’ve learned the benefits of a tightly aligned partnership with one manufacturer versus diversifying with several.

We continue to focus on Meta for customer acquisition. We haven’t given up on our YouTube organic strategy. We plan on introducing a new video format. If that does not perform, we might shut down YouTube organic and focus on other avenues. We hope Amazon sales continue to grow and eventually replace what we lost on Target.

But our top priority is getting back to 15 to 20% profitability. That would help me sleep better at night.

I want to build Beardbrand. To me, the destination is the journey. Creating a business my kids can grow up around brings me joy and excitement. I’m aiming for a generational company that my kids and grandkids can run, allowing our family to live happy, healthy, functional lives. That’s why I show up every day.